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    Your plan for the ram should work.

    Now this is why I said do some research, turns out the Ryzen 1600x doesn’t come with a HSF. I assume because they think you’re going to be overclocking it. All the reviews I see use expensive liquid coolers. It looks like the same is true for the i5-7600K. I think that would be enough to push me away from the overclockable CPUs and go for the i5-7600 or the non-X Ryzen 1600. The stock coolers would be enough to see how you get on when the CPU is pushed. If it was too noisy too often you could use a much more modest air or liquid cooler. My own i5 never gets noisy.

    The graphics card has 2 x DVI-D so the monitor will be OK.

    Sorry, yes you can get smaller cases.

    Fractal Design Core 1300 http://tinyurl.com/ycleb9rh or Fractal Design Core 1500 http://tinyurl.com/ycdgvgh6 are reasonably priced and sensibly laid out with radiator support if necessary.

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    I’d drop the x, I was looking a while ago at ryzen and I don’t think the x offers much the non x on

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    Your plan for the ram should work. Now this is why I said do some research, turns out the Ryzen 1600x doesn’t come with a HSF. I assume because they think you’re going to be overclocking it. All the reviews I see use expensive liquid coolers. It looks like the same is true for the i5-7600K. I think that would be enough to push me away from the overclockable CPUs and go for the i5-7600 or the non-X Ryzen 1600. The stock coolers would be enough to see how you get on when the CPU is pushed. If it was too noisy too often you could use a much more modest air or liquid cooler. My own i5 never gets noisy. The graphics card has 2 x DVI-D so the monitor will be OK. Sorry, yes you can get smaller cases. Fractal Design Core 1300 http://tinyurl.com/ycleb9rh or Fractal Design Core 1500 http://tinyurl.com/ycdgvgh6 are reasonably priced and sensibly laid out with radiator support if necessary.

    Cheers guys.

    I’ll take a look at the cases dave.

    I agree I think I’ll drop to the ryzen 1600. I think I’d prefer to use a slightly better cooler than stock unless you think I definitely don’t need one. In which case I realise the smaller case may effect the size I get. Any suggestions?

    Cheers

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    I really don’t think you’ll need a different one, see this article “AMD Wraith Max and Wraith Spire Coolers Review: Stock Cooling Just Got A Whole Lot Better” http://tinyurl.com/nxgac8q

    Overall, the Wraith Max and Wraith Spire are perfect for someone who does not plan on overclocking. Both coolers are more than capable of providing excellent cooling capabilities…. AMD certainly deserves a round of applause for bundling their Ryzen processors with fantastic stock coolers.

    EDIT – another case. I’ve used this one a few times Thermaltake Versa H15 £38 http://tinyurl.com/yak6zzlz

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    cheers again.

    so i have decided on the first case suggested, antec gx-200,  as it is narrower than the others so more leg room.

    decided on the single 8gb stick as it is cheaper and allows me to add a second 8gb stick easily down the line.

    going with the ryzen 1600, no ‘x’, and will use the stock cooler as suggested.

    happy with most of the rest but i wonder, with a bit of a saving made, is there any reason to look to spend a little more on the motherboard and/or psu or will they be good enough with the suggested options?

    is it possible to transfer the windows 10 licence to the new pc?

    marc

     

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    I use that PSU all the time. 450 watt is more than enough for the graphics card.

    As for the AB350M Pro4 motherboard, it’s should have all you need and the B350 is the mainstream chipset. You would only want the X370 if you wanted to go totally nuts with overclocking and multiple graphics cards in SLI / Crossfire. But yes, have a look at them all and see if any have any  extra bells and whistles.

    Have a look at the table here https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350M%20Pro4/index.asp#Specification  that shows what combination of type of ram chip (single or dual rank) and at what speed you can have. Make sure your plan for the 8GB then 8GB later will work. If it is a problem, as it has 4 slots you could always do 2 x 4GB now and add 2 x 4GB later.

    Windows 10 licences can’t be transferred. Get one off E-Bay, I do all the time and no problems at all. Same for Office 2016.

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    I use that PSU all the time. 450 watt is more than enough for the graphics card. As for the AB350M Pro4 motherboard, it’s should have all you need and the B350 is the mainstream chipset. You would only want the X370 if you wanted to go totally nuts with overclocking and multiple graphics cards in SLI / Crossfire. But yes, have a look at them all and see if any have any extra bells and whistles. Have a look at the table here https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350M%20Pro4/index.asp#Specification that shows what combination of type of ram chip (single or dual rank) and at what speed you can have. Make sure your plan for the 8GB then 8GB later will work. If it is a problem, as it has 4 slots you could always do 2 x 4GB now and add 2 x 4GB later. Windows 10 licences can’t be transferred. Get one off E-Bay, I do all the time and no problems at all. Same for Office 2016.

    if i am reading that table correctly, if i have 2400 ram i have to either chose to only use a2 and b2 thus 2 sticks max if i want to run dual channel. i can add 4 sticks of the 2400 but it would run in single channel.

    so, i most likely will only have 2 sticks in there so that wouldnt be an issue but if i decided to add a further 2 way down the line, what is the downside of being single?

    or, do i go for 1866-2133 ram to allow 4 sticks of dual channel?

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    for some reason there is no Edit option on my posts now so…

    i got dual channel mixed up with dual rank. still not sure what benefit dual rank has over single however, i found an article that says that although to use 2400 dual rank it should only work on 2 slots, they found they could use all 4 slots with dual rank 2666. see page 5 of the article here – http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-single-rank-versus-dual-rank-ddr4-memory-performance_192960/5

    i presume this wouldnt be all mobos and all ram so this probably gives me more uncertainty than i had before reading it

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    Yeah, this is all about what the OP called “willy waving” performance. I’d be gob smacked if you could tell the difference between 1866 Mhz and 3200 Mhz when sat in front of the PC 😀

    What does seem important is not to mix single rank and dual rank. So looking at the table on the ASR site put your single stick in slot A2, doesn’t matter if its SR or DR it’ll go at full speed. When you get the second stick make sure it’s the same SR or DR and put it in slot B2 and it’ll still go at full speed. So I’d say your plan is just fine.

    If you wanted more you have to go from 2 to 4 slots (no 3) and if they were DR they’d “only” run at a max of 2133. Just not worth worrying about.

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