Crowing about your OS
November 12, 2018 at 10:58 pm #28191
I really hoped we’d seen the last of this. Here’s my (hopefully) neutral take on it.
I’ve been using Linux for ages and no-one should get high and mighty about it or any other OS. Yes lots of things (now) work out of the box and much are “better” than Windows if you only need “office” type services or niche areas. But when you get into trouble, boy do you get into trouble. You’d better make sure you have the right distro when searching for the answer to your issue and be prepared to put up with lots of sneering, especially if you use Ubuntu and non FOSS. It has got much better but it’s still there and it’s still NOOBs beware, which is so counter productive.
Commercially I use Linux exclusively for my Cloud SaaS and depend upon OEM FAQs and community resources for the specialist areas to set things up and keep them running. I have to say that’s now pretty good, but it’s all about Ubuntu LTS and to a (slightly lesser) extent Debian. Support for other distros is patchy (no pun intended ?).
I get exactly the same issues when my SaaS server LTS or OEM software changes as when W10 goes through a major update. Things get deprecated, methods change, default locations move, bundled software is upgraded. Repositories and the methods of accessing them get changed, new encryption keys have to be uploaded, etc. With 18.04 LTS , my Unifi server would be passing a no longer supported parameter to the latest mongodb.
So please do not crow, because when you scratch beneath the surface and go beyond the basics – especially with line of business apps – they both suffer with the same problems. I held off moving to 18.04 LTS immediately, not that anyone advocated I should, indeed the opposite is true. 6 months later, for most new servers I can because some Linux Warrior, or the OEM, has been there and sorted out what needs to be done. Migrating my current SaaS is still a risk I can’t contemplate.
Whatever your OS or line of business software, when things change you are at the mercy of those who made the changes and those you expect to keep up with them. A lot of that depends on who is paying what to whom, or who is doing what out of altruism. All I can say is it’s like my mate the gambler; you always hear when he wins, you don’t when he doesn’t.
November 13, 2018 at 1:08 am #28200
wasbitParticipant@wasbitForumite Points: 604
I agree. I have an old laptop running Mint just to familiarise myself with at least one version of Linux. Everything I do, there’s no personal data not even email, is done on trust. If what I do works, I presume everything is ok.
With Windows, you just get a feeling when something isn’t quite right. I’ve only ever suffered one drive-by virus & my anti virus didn’t know a thing about it. I knew within 10 seconds, but was still too slow in turning the power off.
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D-DanParticipant@d-danForumite Points: 1,786
Dunno, as an Arch user, a distro with what is generally regarded as the best Wiki for Linux, and which you are expected to be able to maintain yourself, I rarely have problems. On the odd occasion that I have and have needed help, the forums are a godsend.
Nevertheless, post on the forums without exhausting your options first, and woe betide you.
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Ed PParticipant@edpsForumite Points: 8,651
Full disclosure, these days I spend most of my time in a Linux environment, but I am equally comfortable using Windows or Apple. Each has its place though Apple’s advantages are rapidly disappearing.
Responding to Dave’s post: any FOSS application is only as good as its documentation, and boy oh boy some of the FOSS documentation is a Lulu. Windows is not perfect either, but the Help system is marginally better. However it is when you seek support in software development that the differences really show up. Unfortunately FOSS moderators such as those at Stackoverflow seem stuck in the world of RTFM and are quick to dismiss questions with few positive responses. Compare that with Window’s Codegear to see a huge difference.00November 13, 2018 at 5:52 pm #28230
DrezhaParticipant@drezhaForumite Points: 1,666
Have I missed this being split from another topic?
My current view is that I’m disappointed with all three main OS’s! Windows, with it’s inbuilt spyware, but I guess when you can get it now for £5, there are are some trade offs, so it’s not the end of the world. And most of the time I’m not using the inbuilt Windows apps to get the adverts and it’s rare I even open the start menu now thanks to Launchy! Apple, I’ve just got depressed with the cost of it all and Linux, whilst I’ve been playing with both Kubuntu and Mint recently, it’s been a bit of a faff.
I’m exactly the same with the Android and iOS. I have one of each and I’m impressed with some features and not others. All have pros and all have cons.
I use Windows 10 mainly at work, though our modelling kit all runs Linux now (Mint, as not all of the users are fully au fait with Linux, so it helps them use it if it’s similar to that of Windows) and I have a Mac Mini that sees occasional use but at the minute I’m flip flopping between it and Mint (mainly I think because it doesn’t like my HDMI switcher, so I don’t want to have to change the cable every time I turn it on!)00November 13, 2018 at 9:10 pm #28246
D-DanParticipant@d-danForumite Points: 1,786
I’m a long time Linux user, exclusively at home, so I guess I managed to get very comfortable with it, and very comfortable with being able to fix it on the (now rare) occasions something goes wrong.
Now, at work on Win 10, I spend half my time on Google trying to figure out how to fix the latest breakage after a major update. I guess it’s all down to familiarity.
Mac – I have no time for the walled garden.
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Wheels-Of-FireParticipant@grahamdearsleyForumite Points: 4,046
I just don’t the problems that others seem to with W10. The only problem I get fairly regularly is updated Radeon graphics drivers failing to instal the video card sound driver but thats the fault of AMD rather than Microsoft.00
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