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    Bob Williams
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    … For those who like TRUE spook stuff, MI6/DEA/CIA, Russian Mafia, aircraft, illegal arms for drugs, a British MP and Minister involved, (as the Good Politico who kick-starts the UN and the US into looking into this guy!) with more than a dash of US, UK and Russian politics:

    I am almost done reading “Operation Involvement” subtitled “The Wold’s Most Wanted Criminal” by Damien Lewis, always a good storyteller. I bought the UK paperback version from “The Works” Grimsby store, just £3.99. I buy a lot of stuff there, spend the time that our Gert takes in several nearby clothes shops until she comes in to drag me away from another enjoyable pastime. If I find something good, I buy a cold or hot drink, go and sit on a nearby bench and once again am dragged away. if the book is carp, I take it to Charity.

    Steve, audible is available from Amazon, which is the US published version and is called “Operation Manhunt”. It is a really true story and has everything you need for something that would make a really good movie. The Brit central figure is a middle-aged ex-SAS guy who has become a LEGAL shipper of arms, and knows the ILLEGAL Russian quite well. The Brit has lived in Africa for years, running everything except drugs in mostly old WWII and ’70’s Russian aircraft. His only two aircraft meet with accidental destruction and his business falls over. He is targeted by the DEA after POTUS Bush declares the Russian billionaire as second only to Osama bin Laden as Most Wanted. The ex-SAS guy starts to work to catch this guy – his team is another Brit who knows the FARC terrorists in Columbia (who are desperate for weapons) and the Russian: two Guatemalans who were arrested by the DEA for bringing massive amounts of Cocaine out of Columbia, know the game and have been “turned” and recruited by the DEA. The setup is along and painful journey, but interesting for the spotlights shone upon US DEA practices and their bafflement at being faced with a Brit in his Fifties, who ends up taking over the project.

    I see a movie with Daniel Craig as the ex-SAS guy. Michael Peña as the younger of the Guatemalans, Antonia Banderas as the older.

    A really good read, that no one could make up: might see such a tale as fiction, but partly verifiable via US FOI.

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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  • #24348

    Bob Williams
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    Grand-children are great. Spoil the kids rotten, give them more freedoms, give them a major sugar rush, then hand them back in time for their parents to take all the consequences. I call it revenge time for all the angst their parents caused during their own teenage years. e.g. sons pushing boundaries to their limits, and moody, tantrum-prone daughters.

    Have to ask if you actually have grandchildren, Ed? Neither myself nor my wife have ever spoiled any of ours, we always factor in son and daughter’s wishes before anything else. My son pushed boundaries and my daughter was moody at times, but that is family life. I pushed boundaries, so did my missus at her family home. It’s how families work, especially with teenagers.

    Family life can be affected by tensions and actions from within, as evidenced by Steve’s post. In my case, a mentally unwell and abusive mother and a father who did not know what to do about the abuse until he took me to my aunt’s home when I was very young, for almost 3 years until mam had the treatment she needed. Dad loved my mam, they had been together since 5 and 6 years old. That made him unable to stand up and recognise the abuse for a long time and I was 15 & 17 years younger than my brothers, who were married and gone by the time I was 5. Not weakness, he was a hard-working miner and dad to 3 lads. One day at 15 yo, I came home late for dinner, dad was at a green bowling match and mam just screamed at me about the dinner, over and over, I completely lost it. Used basic Anglo Saxon to tell her to ‘go away’. Did not hear dad coming through the door and hearing that: he turned me around and slapped me, for the first time ever. My reaction was to hit back. Big mistake: a right cross and a left hook knocked me spark out. I woke up with him holding my head and saying “Sorry son, are you OK? Ever talk to your mam like that again and I will really hurt you!” Later, my big bro told me “You did know the old man had been an amateur boxer, didn’t you?” No, I did not, thanks bro!

    I never felt like taking revenge against my kids. They eventually matured into responsible adults, just as I did. Maybe…

    Hmmm….. You old guys are all hypocrites lol. ” Not all of us, Steve!

    JayCeeDee, that’s an interesting life story. I share your wife’s feelings for people who have children they cannot keep, and dump their welfare upon the rest of us in benefits, etc.

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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    #24352

    Ed P
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    Yes we have three, all sub 7.

    Our mantra is ‘if you ask us to take the kids then we are ‘in loco parentis‘ and have freedom of parental action, and set our own rules.

    If you couldn’t see the implicit smiley with ‘revenge time’ then I’m sorry but I obviously have a very different sense of humour! It also means that you were lucky to have never had teenagers that drove you up the wall, or caused you real worries and concerns. (all thankfully long grown out of and no longer any  issue).

    With respect to spoiling, I guess it depends on your definition of ‘spoil’. We have no hesitation in giving them things that will expand their thinking or artistic abilities. e.g. Playdoh, plasticine, painting materials, reading books and Lego/Brix, making robots together etc. We also spoil by giving them some of the time and attention that working parents find hard to give, and take them out to places we think they will enjoy or that will expand their world-views. We also have very little compunction in treating them to some of the foods that their parents, and Government Food Police would hesitate to give them e.g Burgers etc.  However it does mean they tend to be a bit hyper and full of themselves when we hand them back!  Obesity is of zero concern as all of them are very sporty and athletic. All of them stretch my ability to keep up when they go running off in the Park.  One of the boys is probably in the top 2% in terms of running speed. In fact he was asked to join the local football “baby’s squad”, but his parents refused to allow it saying that he was far too young, and it demanded too much dedication and surrendering potential academic progress.  (They had also read of some of the brutal effects that take place at 16/17+ when a ‘rising club star’ is suddenly dropped.)

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    Bob Williams
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    Ed I have delayed responding to your last for two reasons: I was quite ill yesterday as the heat, humidity and chemo effects conspired to give me a bad day. I also needed time to consider your remarks before responding.

    I have no wish to offer argument or critique of your grand-parenting skills, That is your own family and none of my business. However, your grandchildren are all much younger than mine are now, ranging from a very mature 13 yo, through 19 & 21, to 24. We actually engaged “in loco parentis” for real, over almost a year when our son’s marriage broke up in one county and we won the responsibility to care for a 2 yo grandson and a 4 yo granddaughter, from the Courts and Lincolnshire Children’s Services. They were rescued from an abusive, neglectful mother and dad was working 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week. The house was a tip and initially both were taken into care. We took them until our son could find a home and work here in Lincolnshire. Almost 20 years before this, we had witnessed our daughter’s marriage break up when her shiftless, worthless husband left her with an 8 month old baby at the old cottage here in Lincolnshire, to be with his secretary at his Nottingham business. He has since been divorced by his ex- secretary, his business failed (the 4th such business). My daughter met a much better partner: they are parents of the 13 yo. They have also converted a 2 bed old rundown cottage into a lovely modern 3 bed home by hard work. It sits 100 yards up a secluded, private road and looks out onto beautiful Lincolnshire countryside. What was valued at £125K 5 years ago, is now valued at £375K.

    So you see, your family experiences are very different to mine and we have had to be sensitive in our grand-parenting. My wife and I have engaged in all our grandchildren’s education, work and activities over the years. Some of that was to repair damage done in their early years, by other grandparents besides their mother. I once pinned the other granddad to his house wall after he knocked my grandchild to the floor, then knocked him out. They thought it was OK to beat grandchildren and I disabused them of that notion.

    I had no way of spotting an “incipient smiley” anywhere in your words, I imagine that is your own sarcastic humour, but I failed to spot it. You assume blindly that I did not have ” … teenagers that drove you up the wall, or caused you real worries and concerns. ” You are wrong: both my son and daughter caused us problems, quite apart from falling for the wrong partner. I have embarrassed my daughter by pulling her out of a night club at 2:30 am, to get her out and away from a sluttish, drug-taking mate. I have remonstrated with my son for being the most untidy person in the house, in front of his mates. There were many more such events until they both settled down.

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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    #24385

    The Duke
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    As long as mine gone back in OK shape, I’m happy for the break.

    I say ok shape, as my FiL and MiL are very outdoorsy, so a number of bones have come back broken, and countless cuts and bruses the kids like the adventure.

    It’s like I think ed said earlier, the grand parents can give the time, that parents just can’t. So the kids like it, the GP like it, and us parents like the rest. I don’t mind what they feed them tbh, my point was just, as the grandkids have multiplied, his position on “lazy feeding” has had a radical change of heart lol.

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    #24400

    JayCeeDee
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    Mum and Dad being in Wales, they didn’t get to see our son too often. One of the things that we did was one holiday a year we went as Anne and John, not Mum and Dad. We would drop him off to them and go for a week or ten days and it was a true break. It was a joy just being us.

    They loved it and David loved it too. Win-win!!

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    PlaneMan
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    No sign of my collection ready email so I gave customer services a call. Answered in literally seconds, details and phone number taken with a promise that someone would call back before they finished at 5.30, call time was 5.10 so I was a bit sceptical about that.

    5.15 I had a call from the collection branch manager (allegedly, for all I know he sweeps the floors) apologising about the delay and that for some reason the system hadn’t notified me that the books were ready for collection. Notifications received whilst talking to him. Have a code for 30% off valid for a month in store only as an apology. Might be able to pick up some Christmas presents on the cheap. ?

     

    Annoying about the balls up but can’t fault the customer service team.

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    #24544

    Bob Williams
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    Great result in the end, Nolan!

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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    #24654

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    Got the book on Saturday. You’re right Bob, brilliant read.

    Eyeing up some of his other works for the future.

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    #24659

    Bob Williams
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    You’re welcome Nolan. Just read another by Conn Iggulden: “Darien, Empire of Salt.” More blood-soaked fantasy really, not as good as the Falcon story, but not bad and Book 1 of a 3-series. Not reading 2 and 3 yet, started another by same author: “Dunstan” which is about St. Dunstan in the 11th century, taking the reader through to 1066 and the aftermath.

    Told in the first person as if by Dunstan as an old man, writing his life story. Only just started, but already hooked!

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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    #24684

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    I really gave Tinker Tailor, soldier spy, again! started this book many time, all I hear is great reviews, but I just can’t get into it.

    So I gave The Templars by Dan Jones another go on my 12 h drive last night, and started to really enjoy it. Don’t know if it was enough to recommend it. I’ll have to wait and see how fast or oven if, I finish it.

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    #24690

    Bob Williams
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    I recommend “Dunstan” to anyone who likes fact-based historical fiction. St. Dunstan was an actual figure during the 11th Century, involved in the creation of England by Aethelstan, the grandson and heir of King Alfred. Conn Iggulden carries out deep extensive research when writing his historical books and it is as true to real events as possible.

    Life story:     http://tinyurl.com/yd396rpo

    Conn Iggulden books:    http://tinyurl.com/ycsbryfd

    The Mongol books are particularly good. “Wolf of The Plains” – “Lords of The Bow” – “Bones of The Hills” – “Khan: Empire of Silver”. IMO, Conn Iggulden is a better author of historical stories than Bernard Cornwell, and I have read a lot of Cornwell books.

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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    #25542

    PlaneMan
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    Just about to finish my 3rd of his, another 2 came today.

    Damn you Bob, costing me a fortune!!!!!?

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    #25548

    Bob Williams
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    Sorry Nolan! (HeHe)

    I have recommended Conn Iggulden books to locals and mates, they get hooked as well. Maybe I should ask his publisher for commission?

    If it’s the Psychic Network why do they need a phone number?

    What’s right is what’s left if you do everything else wrong.

    If women ran the world we wouldn’t have wars, just intense negotiations every 28 days.
    --- Robin Williams

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