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    The Duke
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    This is me being super lazy. But I know some own will know this off their top of their heads.

    I’ve just bought a new domain, what is the best and ceapest way to set up an email addy for it and for it to be managed via Gmail.

    At this point, I don’t care about a website. I just want a decent email addy.

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  • #32108

    RSB
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    If I was to ever get into the pub game again “Which I won’t” I know that food would be on my to do list depending on the area but I would also ensure if it was a free house I would be on the phone to sam smiths and get a deal going with them. Really cheap and nice beer. I would also build the pub in the sam smiths style. No pool or snooker, no tv’s and no music. Sam smiths pubs are always packed out where I am and there is just no trouble in them. Oh, and obviously some guest ale’s.

    And clean them pipes regular. Minimum once a week. Beers tastes crap from mucky pipes. I use to do mine every Monday morning. If you need to now more I am sure I have a few more answers.

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    #32113

    Ed P
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    Apologies if this gets double-posted but my previous effort disappeared!

    +1 to Lees comments (especially the pipe cleaning). Two of my relatives owned pubs, and I used to help out behind the bar at a racecourse. One uncle was a tenant publican (Stroud Breweries), the pub was in a good position with a lot of charabanc trade (you can tell how long ago that was — pre Mini Minor days). Sometimes he would share his woes with me and said that he made sod-all from his beer sales despite getting through six to eight 36 gallon barrels most weeks. He said all his profits came from spirits and mixers especially Babycham (dates the comment again!), but his big profits were sandwiches, crisps and hot pies.

    It may be worth investigating the food end, even if it is only hot pies from a mini oven. Of course then you get into the Food Inspectors game as well as the usual Weights & Measures, which may prove too big a barrier.

    (Just an aside, in those days – the weights and measures were not really inspecting the spirit optics, but looking for moonlighting scrumpy and some fairly evil sort of Apple Brandy!)

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    #32115

    The VFM Addict
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    Never been of interest to me to have my own watering hole.  In the main around here (near Heathrow) its increasingly a case of old pubs being taken over by restaurateurs then masquerading as pubs.    Doubt there are more than a dozen traditional boozers within a three mile radius where at time of the millennium there were more like a hundred.   I know because my second income in the 80’s and 90’s was pool hustling and very profitable it was.   Great to go out for the night to play pool, which I love, and come home a ton or more richer.     Let folks win a few quid and say the ante has to be far better before they get my best game.   Folks think its mouth and volunteer their wallets.  Of course you make sure you win but only by just edging it.   At that point they’ll come again or someone else will fancy their chances.   Warning though always make sure you have a couple of well built mates with you before you try that and you can’t pull the same trick twice in the same pub.   I recall one night in 88 IIRC where I had continually and intentionally just edged games and they phoned up the pub’s top stick to come down.   TBH he was good and he and his mates chipped in for a best of 9 for £150.   Seeing his ability during the first rack which he very nearly dished from the break missing a difficult 8ball there was no way I was going to risk simply edging it with him.   IIRC I won 5-3.    He was cool about it but we left right after anyway.

    While running a pub would not be for me right now if my other half were up to to it I’d be getting into the Glamping game.   Its still growing in leaps and bounds but a lot of farmers can’t be bothered with it – Setting up, Advertising, handling bookings. etc     There’s a niche opportunity there for someone to set up and run Glamping opportunities on any suitable/available land they have.    Lots of folks who would never go traditional camping immediately fall in love with the convenience and romance of Glamping.

    Fancy a romantic weekend away close to nature but without being too far from creature comforts – Try Glamping.   Where else can you sit in a warm traditional bath tub with a glass of wine under the stars or spend a night in a quaint Shepherd’s Hut or stay in an oversized beehive.

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    #32118

    blacklion1725
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    I would imagine there’s a a balance between attracting new customers and keeping your old ones. No point dropping football and horse racing if all your existing punters expect it and can get it somewhere else. Likewise with your choice of beer. Of the two pubs I use in Plaistow one keeps plenty of Ales and sells plenty. Also has football and racing.

    The other would do well to sell 10 pints (of Ale) a week. It is a lager power-drinking football pub. It is the football (even though since the move it is nearly 3 miles from the new ground) that keeps it going, but they don’t show any football or racing in there – just music (from the period 1978 – 1981 !).

    You get quite a few like me use both, but most drink in one or the other. Getting Ales in (which go off quick) would be very expensive if you weren’t going to sell much.

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    #32121

    The Duke
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    It’s defo not a real ale pub, fosters John smiths, strongbow are the bread and butter of the place.

    All easy to manage drinks. Which is good for me atm. Cleaning the lines now Lee weekly is mandated Lee.

    Maybe one day real ales may make an aperance. But that is a whole new ball game to Learn. And I’m doing enough learning atm.

    For the rest of this year the pub is basically in reweiwing mode. It won’t be untill the end of the winter. Next year I’ll be able to see what the pub actually does. I’m expecting to to not make a great deal through the winter and makes its money in the summer. Lucky I’m getting it at the start of the summer, and hopefully it will keep it self going in the winter.

    So it’s going to be a constant rewiew and tweak. Decided I’m aiming at 40h in the week, and farm weekends out, and just be on call. Why work the busy shits? Cost the same to pay some one to do a sta night as it does a Monday. I’ll take the Monday, as then in the quiet spells I can do admin etc.

     

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    #32122

    Ed P
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    While you are finding your feet it may be an idea to suss out the Councillors on the Licensing Committee, and make the acquaintance of one or two as you will need to be in their good books if you need extension of hours, music licenses etc.

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    #32124

    The Duke
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    Got all that covered ed. From next week I’m officially a member of the pub watch peeps.

    In regards to oping hours, it’s all done via temporary events notices, (Tens), as we have defacto 24h drinking, though kerbed on 2006, you have a set oping time, you put on yourself, (due to certain giudlines) mine is 11am-12-30am, if I want to open later, I just have to notify the council. Its a simple online process. Costs (£12iirc may be 20) and you can open 24/7 for a period of 7 days. There is a limit to how many notices you can serve the council, however  its that many it’s not an issue. The main rule is you need to have a gap of 24h between one ten ending and a new one starting.

    There is two types a normal one, and a late one. They do thd saem thing, the lerm late in the second means your giving the council under 5 days notice. But it’s notice to the council, not an application to open late.

    The ten covers live events, music, and hot food form the hours of 11pm-8am. For less than 500 people including your staff. Not an issue for my place.

     

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    #32125

    RSB
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    So your working the bar? Oh, and I forgot to ask, is it a tall  bar? 🤔

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    #32126

    Ed P
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    The other area where my Uncle used to graft money was room hire. He had nearly every society and group booked in as regulars, from Masonic Wives through to Rosicrucians and the Grand Old Order of the Buffalo. It was what he called his Winter Warmers, as mandated hours of opening were fixed in those days 10am through 3pm, and 6pm through 10:30pm, which meant a large fixed bill on heating and lighting.

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    #32129

    blacklion1725
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    Very good point by Ed – mate of mine has a local bar here and does functions most Friday and Saturday nights – big chunk of his total income.

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    #32130

    Bob Williams
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    My experiences of running a pub go back to service in Germany. As I may have noted here before, my first missus was German and kept a fairly big Gasthof, it was bloody hard work! Especially when opening hours could extend to 1 am and I had to be back in camp and on parade at 7 or 8, after a 5 mile run to keep up my running fitness! Town was at the bottom of a hill, camp and AAC airfield on a plateau at the top. I had to be fit then. I would get to the Gasthof as soon as I could, do the evening shift including meals with the semi-lunatic chef. Mein Frau worked until 1 am, I spent late evening with our kids, I have no idea when we found the time to make them!

    It got worse when the CO “volunteered” me to run a new Corporal’s and OR’s bar. Our original bar had been in the large attic of the massive cookhouse and burnt down when some idiot probably left a Duty Free ciggy burning somewhere. As the camp was Adolf’s first Luftwaffe build in 1933, it had every floor of every building reinforced with ferro – concrete, so the cookhouse and cellar Armoury below that, were untouched. There were actually ‘dozers and diggers working on the roof when the place was rebuilt, lifted there by a ramp built for it.

    All this left us with no bar except the NAAFI and any ex-serviceman will tell you that is a catastrophe! Our CO found us a place outside the gates, halfway down the hill and I used my German brewery contacts to outfit it with a beautiful bar, disco gear, sprung dance floor and small kitchen, all paid for by Warsteiner Brauerei:

    http://tinyurl.com/y3xbtfe9

    I had discovered that, because the new bar was outside camp gates and therefore UK MOD jurisdiction, I could sell whatever booze and food I wished, without NAAFI interference. And NAAFI tried to stop us, but failed: I bought tastier food from better, less expensive German outlets and I made enough out of 9 months in that bar to buy a brand new Vauxhall Firenza “Droopsnoot.” I should have only done 3 months, but no one else wanted it until I had enough of stinking of booze all the time, from the Gasthof and the Cpl’s Bar, and handed over to a mate.

    Some years after returning to the UK and leaving the Army, the Miners Strike hit our village, the pits closed and my nephew and his mate were a specialist team, being lowered in a glorified bucket down each pit shaft after closure, to inspect the shafts and report on the state of each one. This was done to decide upon which materials and methods to be used to seal each shaft. The two mates were working shifts 7 days a week and earning large amounts. When they closed the last shaft down, my nephew bought our local pub, his granddad and my dad’s local since 1926 when pit  and pub were built and dad moved with mam from the Staffordshire Potteries to Notts. I wound up on bar duties again, until sadly my nephew, just 7 years my junior and more like a kid brother, passed away with cancer. The Pub was demolished about 10 years ago and the site is now a Tesco Extra. Don’t let this happen to you Steve!😊😋

    Pub: “Forest Folk” Part of the village history, several local shops went after this came in. !!222%%%^^^??? Tesco!

    And Now…

    Makes me sick to look at it, dad, nephew and his dad my big bro, are each rotating at 10,000 RPM in the local churchyard.

    “If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, legendary SF writer.

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    #32131

    Bob Williams
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    Steve Wrote:

    Also the pub is a blue pub! Every weekend they meet before the game, have a few then get a coach to the games, then have a few when they get home. So I’m gonna be wishing for blue win from now on, keeping them in the mood. What had my life become! I’m a traitor to my own kind lol. ”

    That’s a reminder of my old Army mate, Forest fan through and through, same age as me, born and raised in Nottingham. His lad went to Notts County for a trial behind Dave’s back and played for them for a few years, until a bad injury ended his career. Dave said it was just natural justice, he should have gone to Forest, considered throwing him out when he signed for the Magpies. I told him, well at least it wasn’t Derby and he probably wasn’t good enough for Forest anyway. He felt a bit better. I think.

    “If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.”
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    #32135

    blacklion1725
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    I’m ashamed to say when I first read “is a blue pub” I thought Duke meant he was putting strippers on!

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    #32139

    The VFM Addict
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    Don’t go putting ideas in his head (or thoughts in mine come to think of it) 😉

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    #32142

    Bob Williams
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    Thinking of what sort of Strippers a load of middle-aged, North Wales Everton supporters would like, is making me ill… 😣🙄😊😋

    “If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, legendary SF writer.

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    #32168

    The Duke
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    I just finally got round to creating the addu out of the domain I got last week. I used Google suite, and it took all of 2 mins to do. It auto recognised where the domain lived (ie the domain holder) then auto autrised it, via a log in splash screen to the domian, then it was done.

    Opend my Gmail app, add new user and it poppep up and all works. Great.

    Need to dig into the rest of g suite. But that’s for anther time. As of now I have my domain set up. Need to produce a couple of variants of the same addy. but for now it’s good to go.

    Was extremely easy. Cheers.

    Now I have 4 days to program my new till system. Now that’s going to be fun. But Atleast I’ll not be terrified of it once it’s up and running. The one in thd pub atm bust be 20 years old, and hates me. Plus I’d never be able to re program prices. Come to think of it, that’s why it may be so cheap in there atm lol.

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    #32237

    Boris
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    I would also build the pub in the sam smiths style. No pool or snooker, no tv’s and no music. Sam smiths pubs are always packed out where I am and there is just no trouble in them. Oh, and obviously some guest ale’s.

    I see that Sam Smiths have now banned mobiles/tablets/laptops in their pubs

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/29/pub-chain-becomes-first-uk-ban-mobile-phones-attempt-encourage1/

    Never trust an atom - they make up everything !

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    #32244

    The Duke
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    Never heard of that chain. Non near me. Seems like a lot of rules to follow.

    Thr banking of Thr mobile seems a strange one, as from what I’ve seen, people go outside to make calls anyway, do to background noise, of chatter and music.

    Ive forums I’m the one that is on the phome the most. Business related mind.

    Two of my bar maids actually have canybar phones, and my bar man doesn’t own a phone, Which is a pita to be honest. So I told him he has to get one going forward, as he heeds to be contactable given he is my main bar person with the most hours. My pub seems to be stuck in 1997, or the staff are.

    Tho the daytime customers all have smartphones for  their GG betting.

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    #32253

    Bob Williams
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    Strange to think that I am just a year older than the dictatorial Old Git in that link! I can see the need for some of those rules, but in his quest to “clean up” his pubs, he must have forgotten that pubs are very different places today. They serve a wide variety of people, although they are still mainly the bolt hole and escape hatch for what were once called the working class. He also needs to realise that the ‘Pub’ name is short for ‘Public House’, not private club. Some of those rules may be legally unenforceable. Imagine what certain media outlets would make of a customer being ejected for using a mobile phone!

    I believe that some swearing may be aimed at his back as he leaves one of his establishments, after checking his rules are obeyed. Directed by the staff, I imagine…

    “If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.”
    ― Philip K. Dick, legendary SF writer.

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    #32256

    The VFM Addict
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    Let me get this right -Tradesmen, who are often sole traders with their office ‘in their pocket’ can go to a Sam Smith’s pub whenever they want to cut themselves off from their customer base, turning off customer service for their current and past clients and missing out on new business calls/leads.     Round our way afternoon trade in the pubs in all but the summer is very often made up of 80%  Tradesmen who have been ‘rained off for the day’.

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